Life lesson - managing up is important everywhere and having a bad manager can screw you over if you don't find a new one somehow or get proactive with them! Until they get LE’d. I'm dealing with this right now on my team. I started to work for Amazon on January 28, 2018 — that was about three weeks after I, my lovely wife and our cat landed at Vancouver International Airport. Overall, I've been happy with my choice to work at Amazon. You need to do it the Amazon way. Be aggressive and ask for what you want.

As for why I left and why I'll never go back, I'll focus instead on the systemic problems that no manager or team can shield you from, because they're intrinsic to the function of the company as a whole: Compensation model is absolute bullshit. Have a life? Senior engineers working tickets all day.

So. Good thing you didn't take it. Obviously I can't do it from where I am now, but damnit, if anything can be done, I'm going to insist on higher standards from here on out. Turn over rate at amazon is 20-25% per year. if youre of the first mindset then the freedom and ownership youll have here is amazing. Attention anyone thinking about working for Amazon! That almost makes me not want to do business with them. yikes, where are you working now?

once you own a project youll be able to work on improvements, whether that be what you think needs to be improved about it or bug fixes and features that coworkers bring to your attention. The right way to join Amazon is to have a friend whose word and judgement you trust on a team you respect refer you for a position on that team. That's right: they recalculate the value of your vesting shares (even if they were granted 2-3 years ago) each year and factor that into your "total compensation," so if the stock goes up by 75% (as it did one year I was there) and is worth far more than they expected at the beginning of the year, your vesting shares for that year now mean you're making $15k more than you're "supposed" to for your level/role/performance rating so they give you a virtually non-existent raise and an RSU bonus that doesn't vest for another year. The engineer says he used to work on OS/software issues at the cloud division of Amazon.com, and he now gets paid more to do development outside of AWS. They need to search far and wide for people who don’t know or don’t care about what I am telling you.

I am hearing lot of things about grueling work culture at Amazon. Clearly I am not alone, and there is plenty of data out there to show it. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I know companies reorganize, and I had 3 managers at my previous job, but they all still communicated with each other at handoff. Great pay is a mirage. After a bunch of industry hire SDE2s and college SDE1s flooded our team, the overall "bar" got worse, and I've been spending more and more of my time having to hand-hold "new" folks to our stack, despite myself not needing that much of a leg up when I first started. And on call. on a team of almost 15, about half have kids and two thirds are married. so from my own experience. That's about what I've heard talking to other ppl that have worked at Amazon. A subreddit for those with questions about working in the tech industry or in a computer-science-related job. You're right about how important the manager is. Every time someone got one, we'd all wind up seeing it and they were ridiculous. Would be strange to try to employee someone better than yourself in such a toxic environment. Because they like the cold or whatever??

Seriously? Otherwise, you go to a group event or a random interview loop and end up in an org-wide hiring queue, where teams with "priority needs" are first in line for staffing. One of my favorites was a coworker, our senior engineer in fact, who without warning got put on a PIP for "not pushing enough commits." after that it really does come down to the team or service you work on and who your manager is. Amazon is the big league of micromanagement. Turnover is insane and everybody knows it.

I think it speaks for the culture of grinding beyond personal health that I often see expressed about a lot of teams at Amazon (and I'm well aware not all teams at Amazon, or any company, are like this). I could go on, but I have things to do and that should be enough for now... Wow, that is bullshit that they count your vesting RSUs that year at market price as part of your band. I am hearing lot of things about grueling work culture at Amazon. At the end of 3 years though, financially it just did not add up for me - I got an interview call from another big 4 who basically made me an offer I couldn't refuse. People drink a lot, and generally everyone is miserable. Why do you think they had a hiring event in your hometown in the Ukraine? Here is a top 11 list of what sucks the most about working at Amazon: Micromanagement. Yes, there is backstabbing, and if you are in the bottom 10% you will be termed “LE” and given a PIP which you aren’t meant to succeed at.

No respect for planning. Amazon may be considered the most drug friendly software company I know of,but I considered that a bad thing as my experience there was full of people who had abuse issues. Or they think they will make it. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts.

Cookies help us deliver our Services. what I was doing) or because they were brought in as fodder to plug holes on ops-heavy teams or burn on the stack and are going to get PIP'd or managed out because they aren't actually that good. Your chances of being “the man” on that project are small. I love the work I do and there is very little bureaucracy which allows you to work on what you want to work on. It’s a horrible place that will ruin your health, your self esteem, your drive, and your relationships. If you don't work in the US, you can ignore the rest of this post.

Principles used as a weapon.

Or the way your inexperienced manager says is the Amazon way, anyway. Nah. which part of the business? Can some one please tell me what the work life balance is like ?

Intern conversion rates are far too high and it's far too easy for managers to override/disregard team feedback and get bad interns hired anyhow because they just wanted bodies (I saw this happen frequently)--this was a problem because our intern hiring bar was too low to begin with, so we had a steady stream of pretty poor entry-level hires that put a lot of pressure on myself and the other senior engineers with respect to mentorship responsibilities and trying to keep technical debt in check. Heard from multiple people they just tell you to be back in 30 minutes and leave you to your own devices. My friends who are still there right now are absolutely miserable. I'm an engineer and worked at a remote location in a team that was not AWS, so my comment will be of limited use. The amount of different managers you had is crazy. Unless they expect people to die at their desks, working. Yea I've conducted a few of those group interviews and did one myself when I was hired.

Seriously, if you're good enough to get an onsite at Amazon, get an onsite at any other comparable company and you'll notice how cheap, work-centric, and depressing the overall environment of Amazon is. Press J to jump to the feed.

OR is it just problem solving with what you have been working with? Bell curving. I tend to work long hours but thats by choice. a 0-1% raise, which is a reduction in comp after accounting for inflation). Everyone does ops. I went to their onsite "group" coding thing and it was basically a bunch of candidates coding in a room stressing about finishing individual mini projects with cold, half-assed lunch mid-way through that you kinda picked at while staring at your screen for 8 hours straight. No matter that you just moved from Pakistan or whatever.. Tough crap. When I joined (as a college hire, mind you, but not a conversion), my team had a ton of experience; we moved like lightning and were productive as a well-oiled machine. Curious to know... can you explain what are some of the hard problems that you mention? Quite often, they are political and depend on the project you get put on as well as the people you know. And on and on.

It is fairly accurate. youre constantly under pressure to deliver results (its a leadership principle) but for me theres a huge amount of satisfaction that I get when I do. I'm about to start a summer internship for Amazon, working in AWS on Storage stuff.

God forbid your manager quits or gets reassigned just before this meeting then you have literally no one arguing for you in the meeting and that entire team unless they are rockstars will get put in the bottom 10%. I believe dev management in amazon is pretty bad, the managers only look out for their teams and if you don't have a good manager or even a half decent one, your career there is going to suffer. You thought they were on cutting edge stuff? Thanks for the response. You are tired when you leave. If your manager doesn’t do it, he’s in trouble. Fine. Just remember, they will be tattling on any misstep you make too; and right to your micromanaging boss! And the reason they have all these hiring events?

OP definitely has an axe to grind, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't see most of the issues pointed out above in some capacity or another throughout other teams and the company as a whole. You aren’t that dumb. Why? After working there for a period of years I am free, and want to prevent others from falling into this hell hole. Compared to most other tech companies I've worked for, the hours are predictable and not that intense. For the first two years I was in one org, worked in 2 or 3 teams , and had 5 managers. I did three years at Amazon as an SDE2/3 and left on good terms; my team was world class and my manager was a great guy who took care of his people. It would be great if you are working in one of the AWS teams or know some one who works there can tell me about the working experience. And project management. im not trying to say its easy working at amazon. Desperate for help. This is a review of my work at Amazon: I worked there for about 3 years as an SDE and I had 9 managers (!) He finally switched teams and got promoted that year. if youre not busy all day every day then youre probably doing it wrong. EDIT: Do none of you do business with amazon, or something ?

if you dont you will feel very overwhelmed because theres really no time to sit around at work and browse reddit or some other site, you will always be busy. They're not looking to "hire the best" that way. But it’s the intensity most people don’t know about. You like pain, I guess…. Is it a lot better? No respect for experience: At Amazon, it’s about Amazon. Thanks. "exceeds" ratings) performance reviews only to get completely shafted on compensation adjustments because the stock had such a banner year that you're well above your compensation target even with the rating. I work in the Retail org in the NYC office. If you want to check out what engineers think of Amazon, check out glassdoor. 15 minutes response time. And, let’s say you get on a team that is doing something cool. But then someone I know who was told he'd get a promotion, but they kept not doing it for 3 years. The chances of being randomly assigned to a full time position on a great team are low (but not impossible). You can see some of your peer feedback, but your manager will never tell you why you actually got the rating you did...probably because the actual reason is mostly bullshit (that's how stack ranking works). I got an offer from Amazon Web Services in Seattle.

I have been VERY lucky to have had amazing managers at my previous job (defense contractor) who talked me up, got me raises and promotions.

so the tldr I guess is, yes its very intense and if your just doing the work for money, look elsewhere. And deployment.

Given the size of Amazon, I'm sure there are a few unhappy folks but didn't know if this was a more commonly shared experience. Your friend can give you inside knowledge, you'll get a normal interview loop with the actual people you'd be working with, and the manager will take you out to lunch at a nearby restaurant (assuming he isn't an asshat--some of them will just drag you to one of the Amazon cafeterias).

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