The rounds did stick in the cylinder when new, I sent it back to Ruger and it came back with polished bores and never stuck again. “In consequence, the pistol weighs in at a somewhat boat-anchor-ish 46 ounces.”. After the war, American ammunition manufacturers were set up to produce a nifty little .30 caliber cartridge. 1947. Lacking the rim that every cartridge designed for use in a revolver has, the .30 Carbine headspaces, as normal, off the case mouth, which rests on a slight ledge towards the front of the chambers. Its true you get inferior ballistics with quasi rifle round out of a pistol, but logistics wise you could have unified type of ammo (every military wet dream! gas check roundnose. In fact, the .30 Carbine round really doesn’t work too well in a pistol. I enjoy shooting it more than my 357 and have never had problems finding ammo. In that way you could add the barrel mass to slide and end up with less momentum and slide speed in recoil, less slide speed gives lower rate of fire. Ultimately my question becomes what would this stack up against in terms of say a light .357 Magnum bullet (my Lee 105 SWCs that are powder coated specifically in my mind.) It’s slightly tapered, which is a nuisance if you have to reload it (which I have, once upon a time). But seriously, great review. Why I am sayin it, regarding head space change? WHAT DO 30 CARBINE RUGER PEOPLE SHOOT (I ASSUME 30 110GR RIFLE CARTIDGES) – HAS ANYBODY RELOADED FOR IT AND SHOT PAST 7 YARDS – II HAVE NEVER SHOT CLOSE BECAUSE I USED IT ON PIGS AND DEER/ELK SIDEARM – CASE ONE GOT UP WHILE THE RIFLE WAS DOWN OR TAKING A CRAP. Smith & Wesson experimented by making a few .30 Carbine revolvers but pursued the idea no further than prototypes. The 30 Carbine has its place. Also I polished up the chambers a bit with 400 grit wet sandpaper followed up a bit with 3x fine steel wool. That’s right a lot longer that you have been around. Over repeated firings, this gunk builds up until a new round can’t be fully seated without compressing or pushing it out of the way. Rifleman Q&A: What Is an M1 Carbine 'Rigger' Pouch? Gas pressure acting on piston does not last for very long, only the bullet distance from gas canal to muzzle. lMHO. In consequence, the pistol weighs in at a somewhat boat-anchor-ish 46 ounces. The Magnum revolver rounds operate at a SAAMI maximum pressure of 35,000 to 36,000 PSI, while the .45 Win. Remington knows all to well with their disastrous 244 Remington that lasted 4-5 years before changing there 243 copy to the Remington 6mm because they chose a 1:12 and the deer hunters wanted loads near or above 100 for medium sized game – the 244 Remington was a Rockstar for woodchucks/prairie dogs/ground hogs because of the light weight bullets that barrel was designed for – but a fail for Remington sales who were dominated y the 243 Winchester. The Kalashnikov action is basically a Garand action with the gas piston above the barrel rather than below it. And its safety/selector system was essentially copied from the Remington Model 8 sporting rifle. this cartridge did not require any delay mechanism, as it worked reliably in blow-back (pure blow-back) automatic pistol of numerous models (too many in 20th century Europe to list them all here), however such solution allowed usage of lighter breech block. At around the same time, extraction can also start becoming a bit difficult; I have had, on occasion, some empty cases which required a fair bit of force on the ejector rod to remove — although, I’ve never had to use anything beyond hand-strength. Long story short: it didn’t. II is utilized simple blowback action with radially grooved chamber (to resist and delay initial extraction when pressure in the barrel still high) It’s pretty damn accurate. © 2020 Forgotten Weapons.Site developed by Cardinal Acres Web Development. I have a “New Model” .30 carbine revolver I purchased in 2005. It has the same case length as the .357, .41 and .44 Magnums.
Even the published loads are clocking pretty fast, though the Hodgdon ones were tested in a 10″ barrel. That second one: only after the slide hits it and drags it back, Kimball actually patented the floating barrel as a delay system. The overall best performing bullet for .30 Carbine pistols was the Redding/SAECO #302; a 115-gr. Most loadings require at least 12″ of barrel to develop full velocity due to the burning/pressure curve of the powders used, which considering they are intended for use in a rifle with a short-stroke piston, gas-operated system makes perfect sense. The factory grips are rather thin, but that’s easily rectified. “Anything wrong here?” also it should be possible to use quite long barrel and grip move forward for balance. This kind of comment always makes me laugh. One of less than 250 produced circa 1955-1958, the Kimball was a failed attempt at producing a blowback pistol in 30 Carbine, using a series of cut rings in the chamber. After going in full rearward position go forward under pressure of their respective springs. This is 10 rounds of the same load fired two-handed from a rest, at 50 feet. ” A spiral groove was cut in the chamber to deal with +P variant of 9 Makarov.” It fills the case and burns almost completely in that 7.5″ according to QL. For a fun plinking or water jug exploding experience, try reloading with 40- or 55-grain .224 bullets in sabots. Looks like a big velocity gain too. I put plugs in under my muffs to shoot either. All guns get dirty and all will cease to function at 100% when dirty. So I apologize if this way off base. Do I use gun-oil, or sizing lube ? I also have a 1943 M-1 Carbine in very good condition. An array of newly developed firearms were tested. This seems rather a different approach, since the barrel chamber is not descibed with dragging measures inside, to start bakcward movement together with slide. These are actually rows of fine annular grooves in the chamber, intended to “grab” the cartridge case’s brass and act as a drag on its progress backward out of the chamber. Simonov used short stroke gas piston in his earlier work – namely AVS-36 In fact when laying prone to shoot I literally felt the concussion at almost the same time as I heard the sound. The gun’s sights consist of a black ramp front, and a black square notch rear — nothing fancy, but they work well enough. or so, generating about 970 foot-pounds of energy — on par with the .44 magnum; however, that’s from the M1 carbine’s 18-inch barrel. LMAO. Inland Mfg ILM200 Advisor M1 Pistol Semi-Automatic 30 Carbine 1. The bore as someone else mentioned needs to be polished a bit better from the factory.
Number of barrels is up to discussion – it might be 2 or 4, or maybe 3? Bill Ruger brought out his Blackhawk revolver in this caliber and encountered some success. I own one of these 30s, great shooter. OUT OF STOCK (10) Ruger 0505 Blackhawk 6RD 30CARB 7.5" OUT OF … Target Model: Sold for $2,070 The second thing you might notice, is that recoil is — well, not nonexistent, but, shall we say, practically unfelt. It’s a hell of a lot more accurate than I am, and it makes me better by association. A cartridge designed from the outset for use in a handgun. Therefore began a movement to develop a “short rifle” to replace handguns. It’s in practical effect — if not in actual fact — a handgun cartridge, actually, a magnum length one. Required fields are marked *. Earlier this summer, GLOCK announced it would cease production of 9mm and .40 S&W Gen4 models and update its .40-caliber lineup to the latest generation. I’m no great shakes of a handgun shot from a sandbag rest but still I was getting groups down to about 11/2″ at 25 yards. But who knows, perhaps he tried and concluded all is a wasted effort, or ran out of funds for new parts, frames and slides, The .30 Carbine cartridge is too powerful for a blowback pistol, however, and so Kimball needed some type of locked breech or delaying mechanism. No recoil at all, but whopping muzzle velocities in the 2500 f/s range using 12 grains of H110.
I scanned the Internet auction sites until locating an AMT .30 Carbine, whose official name was the Automag III. However, said pistol had more problems than the initial run of Remington R51s, and the company made less than 300 of them before folding). Before World War II someone in the American military hierarchy studied Germany’s World War I wound reports and was amazed at how few were caused by .45 caliber projectiles fired from US Model 1911 semi-autos and US Model 1917 revolvers. It was a great spot for which I will be forever grateful, but the very best thing about that job was the doors that opened because I had it. Not as loud, however, as most people on the internet would have you think; based on the various reviews and forum discussions of this gun that I read before buying it, I half expected the muzzle blast to shatter every piece of glass, and set off every car alarm, within a quarter mile radius or so. I miss the days of cheap surplus. But, more on stickiness in a bit…. While the .30 Carbine is considered rather light for a rifle round, compared to most pistol cartridges it’s hardly a slouch, tossing a 110-grain bullet at 1990 fps. US Patent 2,870,562 “Cartridge case extractor for a firearm”. I only wear simple foam ear muffs when shooting, and I’m perfectly comfortable (if you were to shoot it at an indoor range, then, yeah, you might want to double up on the hearing protection as a lot of people recommend for this gun). Now, the first thing you’re likely to notice when firing the .30 Carbine Blackhawk for the first time is that it’s rather loud. They all appear to have been made as one batch, so material problems, heat treatment problems or simply the parts being cut with the grain of the steel running in the wrong orientation,are all possibilities. The 30 Carbine Blackhawk is the second loudest gun I ever fired. Order Your Printed Copy Of American Handgunner May/June 2014 Issue Today! With this particular Blackhawk this worked at cross purposes with headspacing on the case mouth. Ultimately kimball’s several patents show lots of (too) clever thinking going into the design. http://guns.wikia.com/wiki/OTs-33_Pernach I would have liked to see a picture that showed the taper of the barrel more clearly. The grip frame and ejector rod housing are made of aluminum, given a black anodized finish so they more-or-less blend in with the rest of the gun; it works from a distance, but up close the difference is obvious, as the aluminum parts have a much duller sheen than the blued steel ones. First, the Harrington & Richardson T3 prototype 9 x 19mm pistol of 1953 was a straight blowback, that competed with the Smith & Wesson 9 x 19mm prototype that became the Model 39. AMT. ©COPYRIGHT 2020, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.